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- From: claevius@firefly.prairienet.org (Brent Busby)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware
- Subject: Re: Phase-5 Vaporware; Maybe Warp Engine Better?
- Date: 1 Apr 1996 05:26:38 GMT
- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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- Darren Eveland (darren@uoguelph.ca) wrote:
-
- : NO it won't, you get the 3060 version that will :=) But of course
- : Phase-5 does not recommend this board...hmmm ....
-
- Well, of course *they* don't... What I'm wondering is what *you* guys
- think of the Apollo. Is it stable at all? Any SCSI or RAM problems?
- I may end up getting a Warp Engine after all, but I just want to
- consider all my alternatives.
-
-
- : The thing I'm scared
- : about with the 060 is the horror stories from many on the net about
- : random freezes, scsi bugs, and other stuff.
-
- Yeah, that's true. It's sort of like the penalty you pay for being an
- '040 user really, only worse. So many programs freak completely at the
- sight of the '040's datacaches. The '060's superscalar pipelining is
- just more unexpected architechture that badly written programs will
- have to deal with. Motorola made the 68060 specifically to be fully
- compatible with the '040, but still, there are always those programs
- that expect everything to be right where it was on the author's own
- computer. I hate it when people code like it's still 1975.
-
- (Don't we pay a high enough compatibility penalty already just for
- being '040 users...?)
-
-
- : IMHO I would get a warp engine. Incredibly stable board, fully supported
- : by the OS-no cyberpatcher needed. Fully compatible with ShapeShifter,
- : etc....(that is get a warp engine IF you are going to get an accelerator
- : today.
-
- I'm strongly considering that. I'd still like a little more information
- from anyone who has it out there on the Apollo. I'll probably still take
- the Warp Engine, though. I plan to run a fulltime BBS on the system,
- online 24-hours, 7 days a week, without rebooting, so stability is high
- priority here. And Warp Engine boards are not exactly *slow* by any
- means, even if they are an '040 based accelerator...
-
-
- : There is a A3060 board as I said, and the macrosystems people seem to be
- : taking their sweet time coming out with a 060 Warp Engine. Latest I
- : heard was "May 1996".
-
- You think there's any chance MacroSystems could shock us all and actually
- come out with an '060 Warp Engine before we all die of old age?
-
-
- : But it would be interesting to see how they can
- : "upgrade" my 3040 warp engine since the cpu is soldered to the board... I
- : think it would have to be a board replacement.
-
- It'd be nice if they could do the ethical thing and offer an upgrade
- discount plan for people who already own '040 based Warp Engine boards...
- (Maybe a lesser discount for people who have their '030 based Impulse
- Engines, too...)
-
-
- : But I even question if it
- : is worth it to go for any new accelerator right now, when PPC boards are
- : so close....but then again those PPC boards are from Phase-5 :=)
-
- Forget that, for me at least. I'm still a little leary of '060s. It was
- only the promise of raw speed that lured me into thinking about '060s at
- all. PowerPCs would be great, but I'm afraid I'd still be way too afraid
- of anything that'd have to run an emulation to crunch 680x0 code. (And
- if Phase-5 made it, that'd scare me, too, I think.)
-
-
- : They have good intentions, but they never seem to make their (optimistic)
- : deadlines. Hopefully there will be no chip shortage with the PPC boards
- : like there is (and are) with the 060 boards.
-
- This is just me speaking as an A3000T user of course, but I think they made
- a big mistake ignoring the physical size characteristics of the A3000 in the
- first place. That's why they had to pull the darn things.
-
- --
- Amiga /// | | "They had a glow-in-the-dark
- 040 /// | Brent Busby ("Sequencer") | Santa in their yard. Santa
- \\\/// | claevius@prairienet.org | isn't radioactive, is he?
- \XX/ | | Cool beans. Nuclear Santa."
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